Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Kirkhill]

What happens if....

Goose Bay is revived as an active NATO training base but....

With a live GBAD-CRAM unit,
Enhancing drone launching capability to include the Kratos Mako UTAP-22 to complement the Kratos BQMs

Add in an MQ(CQ)-9B overwatch capability and then allow manned aircraft into the environment for training purposes.

NATO scores a useful training environment.
Canada scores useful training, new kit, an experimental facility, new capabilities and international kudos
Politicians score Newfy votes.

 

[Will M]

If the Trudeau mouth is open you are hearing a lie. He's proved he's completely undependable except to create disasters.
The WEF and UN control his actions not to mention the Chinese communist party. He spends others $$ like it was water.
For a brighter outlook watch YouTube Dr John Campbell for accurate covid and other news.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Deja vu. The PC government of the '80s was full of well-meaning ideas for improving Canadian military capability, but had to deal with a fiscal crisis. The first order of business of any fiscally responsible federal government has to be to get the operating budget balanced, and then to see whether there's anything practical that can be done about the net budget deficit (which at that point would be mainly cost of servicing debt).

There isn't any "new money" for anything. Almost everyone has a hand out asking for more money. People with grievances want payoffs, unions want theirs to be the best-compensated province in all of Canada, people with fuzzy skills want a government-funded teat, people in communities that shouldn't exist want endless subsidies to build and re-build in perpetuity, people in high-demand occupations want theirs to be chosen as the one funded to have as many workers as are needed, people who don't have as much mad money as they would like want more individual transfers from governments and are unwilling to step back from any they already have.

Interest rates are reasonable by recent historical standards, but we make it increasingly difficult (costly) to build anything. We can't know whether there is another boom (eg. '90s dot-com) around the corner to help. Some people are obsessed with gutting the energy economy we have while demanding we somehow pay to develop the energy economy of the future. And a not inconsiderable fraction of mostly urban-dwelling people are determined to piss off their rural cousins in whose backyards resides much of the infrastructure needed to sustain dense urban populations.

 

[markppcli]

Frankly no party will invest more money in the CAF because the inevitable result will be a procurement nightmare and they’ll take the heat for the ensuing scandal. We’re backed into a corner with no solutions beyond very serious, boring, and complicated policy adjustment.

 

[markppcli]

If the Trudeau mouth is open you are hearing a lie. He's proved he's completely undependable except to create disasters.
The WEF and UN control his actions not to mention the Chinese communist party. He spends others $$ like it was water.
For a brighter outlook watch YouTube Dr John Campbell for accurate covid and other news.

Out of curiosity do you find it easier to fit the tin oil to your head or is some kind of a chin strap better?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Better late than never... which is going to feel like 'never' by the time we get the stuff issued:

Canadian military rushing to buy new weapons after lessons learned from Ukraine war​

The Canadian Army is rushing to buy new equipment in response to lessons learned from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Canadian Army commander Lt.-Gen. Joe Paul says that includes anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles as well as systems to protect against drones.

Paul says the military is also hoping to purchase the types of long-range, precision missile systems that have given Ukrainian forces a distinct advantage over their Russian foes.

The new weapon systems were not included in the Liberal government’s defence policy when it was released five years ago.

But Paul says the need for such equipment has emerged as the Canadian Armed Forces has closely watched and studied the fighting in Ukraine since February.

Paul says one challenge in obtaining the equipment is that many of Canada’s allies have come to the same conclusions about what they need, and are moving to buy the same stuff.

Canadian military rushing to buy new weapons after lessons learned from Ukraine war - National | Globalnews.ca

The Canadian Army is rushing to buy new equipment in response to lessons learned from Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

globalnews.ca

 

[kev994]

What happens if....

Goose Bay is revived as an active NATO training base but....

With a live GBAD-CRAM unit,
Enhancing drone launching capability to include the Kratos Mako UTAP-22 to complement the Kratos BQMs

Add in an MQ(CQ)-9B overwatch capability and then allow manned aircraft into the environment for training purposes.

NATO scores a useful training environment.
Canada scores useful training, new kit, an experimental facility, new capabilities and international kudos
Politicians score Newfy votes.

Everyone posted there quits is what happens

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Deleted, because it belonged in another thread (how they got mixed up - I don't know.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

I live in Montreal, and have contacts with some people in the Haitian diaspora here. They are the most conceited people when it comes to their country of origin, with this great belief that Haiti actually matters in the world and that the world actually cares about what goes on in Haiti. Only people in Canada who actually care (outside that diaspora) are the Liberals, and only to the extent that it can get them votes in esat-end Montreal ridings.

If these folks are so-to-trot to liberate Haiti, give them weapons, train them, and send them back to Haiti to sort things out.

 

[lenaitch]

Random thought, if the CAF is short 8-10,000 personnel from total authorized where is the department and CAF redirecting the excess funding that would be paying salaries, allowances etc.?
Is it going to recruiting, modernization, O&M, piling up or returning to the centre?

Government departments don't get funding in the normal sense, they get allocations. They don't lay out a budget then get a big bag of money sometime after April 1st. Money not spent doesn't 'go back' to the Centre - it never left.

What happens if....

Goose Bay is revived as an active NATO training base but....

With a live GBAD-CRAM unit,
Enhancing drone launching capability to include the Kratos Mako UTAP-22 to complement the Kratos BQMs

Add in an MQ(CQ)-9B overwatch capability and then allow manned aircraft into the environment for training purposes.

NATO scores a useful training environment.
Canada scores useful training, new kit, an experimental facility, new capabilities and international kudos
Politicians score Newfy votes.

Aboriginal push-back. Caribou herds and all that.

 

[Ostrozac]

What happens if....

Goose Bay is revived as an active NATO training base but....

I thought that everyone was united in hating 5 Wing Goose Bay — the locals (who protest it), the CAF (whose families hate living there) and our Allies (who hate the bad press from the protests).

Everyone except one person. Former MND O’Connor wanted to revitalize it and put a light infantry battalion there — presumably as some form of penal battalion.

 

[dapaterson]

I thought that everyone was united in hating 5 Wing Goose Bay — the locals (who protest it), the CAF (whose families hate living there) and our Allies (who hate the bad press from the protests).

Everyone except one person. Former MND O’Connor wanted to revitalize it and put a light infantry battalion there — presumably as some form of penal battalion.

Being a former CO of the RCD, presumably 1st Bn The RCR, to free up more space for his regiment in Petawawa...

 

[markppcli]

What happens if....

Goose Bay is revived as an active NATO training base but....

With a live GBAD-CRAM unit,
Enhancing drone launching capability to include the Kratos Mako UTAP-22 to complement the Kratos BQMs

Add in an MQ(CQ)-9B overwatch capability and then allow manned aircraft into the environment for training purposes.

NATO scores a useful training environment.
Canada scores useful training, new kit, an experimental facility, new capabilities and international kudos
Politicians score Newfy votes.

I sincerely doubt you’d earn many votes given the locals dislike of the existing facility. You’d see most posted there releasing as soon as humanly possible; unless they truly hated themselves, their spouses, and wished ill upon their children.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I sincerely doubt you’d earn many votes given the locals dislike of the existing facility. You’d see most posted there releasing as soon as humanly possible; unless they truly hated themselves, their spouses, and wished ill upon their children.

YVR has acres of languishing terrain they're looking to monetize in some way. The CAF should make them an offer and move back in to the South Terminal area.


As part of the Financial Sustainability lens of our 2022-2024 Strategic Plan, we outlined how we will aim to drive value from land assets to diversify our revenues and grow our core airport business while supporting regional economic development. To strengthen the non-passenger related business to a higher proportion than in the past, we will put our land assets into productive use, expanding our focus in cargo and logistics, and activating digital opportunities.

In February 2022, the Minister of Transport formally approved the proposed amendment to YVR’s 2037 Land Use Plan. We’re exploring new and innovative ways to strengthen our role as a diverse global hub while aligning YVR to the future growth and needs of British Columbia. This includes unlocking development opportunities on Sea Island that will benefit our community and the economy that supports it.

https://www.yvr.ca/en/about-yvr/who-we-are/yvr-2037-master-plan

 

[Kirkhill]

Everyone posted there quits is what happens

So the reality is that the reason the CAF can't hire is nobody wants to go to sea and nobody wants to live in those parts of Canada that are not served by Starbucks.

You know we could save a lot of money by turning the 93% of the land that isn't arable, equivalent to that served by Starbucks, back to the First Nations and negotiating lumber and mineral claims with them directly.

 

[Kirkhill]

I thought that everyone was united in hating 5 Wing Goose Bay — the locals (who protest it), the CAF (whose families hate living there) and our Allies (who hate the bad press from the protests).

Everyone except one person. Former MND O’Connor wanted to revitalize it and put a light infantry battalion there — presumably as some form of penal battalion.

Fair enough. Move the GBAD/Drone/UAS range to Cold Lake. I understand that to be an equally popular posting.

 

[markppcli]

So the reality is that the reason the CAF can't hire is nobody wants to go to sea and nobody wants to live in those parts of Canada that are not served by Starbucks.

You know we could save a lot of money by turning the 93% of the land that isn't arable, equivalent to that served by Starbucks, back to the First Nations and negotiating lumber and mineral claims with them directly.

No people want to go to sea; they just don’t want to do it while jumping from ship to ship working for and officer corps that spends 1/3 of the time at sea as them.

They don’t want Starbucks; they want their partners to have jobs and their kids to be have the opportunity to go to schools and partake in extra curricular activities. They do not want to live in a Gulag in the most remote part of the Country.

 

[markppcli]

Fair enough. Move the GBAD/Drone/UAS range to Cold Lake. I understand that to be an equally popular posting.

Cold Lakes issues as a posting can be solved by the CAF, Goose Bay’s can’t.

 

[Kirkhill]

Nobody says that any posting has to be permanent. Seasonal campaigns. Two weeks on - Two weeks off. The civilian world uses a variety of solutions to those types of problems. -- Different thread -- overlap.

 

[MilEME09]

Canadian Army eyeing new weapons in response to lessons learned from Ukraine war

The war in Ukraine has identified critical gaps in the Canadian Army's ability to fight and survive on the battlefield, leading to an unanticipated rush to buy new military equipment.

www.ctvnews.ca