Hi, I have received a very competitive offer (good chunk more money than the army) in between the swearing in period and commencing BMQ training. Though I am still inclined to go to BMQ and join the Canadian forces, I wanted to know what would happen if one does not show up for BMQ after swearing. Is that an automatic Voluntary Release, or does paperwork still need to be filled out? Thankyou
Release before BMQ
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So, you don't need an answer to this then?
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brass2100 said:
We do have a SEARCH FUNCTION that will greatly help you with your questions. Please read some of these other topics too:
MSN and ICQ "short hand" - http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/33247.0.html
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Canadian Forces Aptitude Test - http://army.ca/forums/threads/21101/post-103977.html#msg103977
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Just to make your day.
From the NATIONAL DEFENCE ACT:
NDA 88. (1) Every person who deserts or attempts to desert is guilty of an offence and on conviction, if the person committed the offence on active service or under orders for active service, is liable to imprisonment for life or to less punishment and, in any other case, is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to less punishment.
(2) A person deserts who
(a) being on or having been warned for active service, duty during an emergency or other important service, is absent without authority with the intention of avoiding that service;
(b) having been warned that his vessel is under sailing orders, is absent without authority with the intention of missing that vessel;
(c) absents himself without authority from his place of duty with the intention of remaining absent from his place of duty;
(d) is absent without authority from his place of duty and at any time during such absence forms the intention of remaining absent from his place of duty; or
(e) while absent with authority from his place of duty, with the intention of remaining absent from his place of duty, does any act or omits to do anything the natural and probable consequence of which act or omission is to preclude the person from being at his place of duty at the time required.
From the NATIONAL DEFENCE ACT:
NDA 88. (1) Every person who deserts or attempts to desert is guilty of an offence and on conviction, if the person committed the offence on active service or under orders for active service, is liable to imprisonment for life or to less punishment and, in any other case, is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to less punishment.
(2) A person deserts who
(a) being on or having been warned for active service, duty during an emergency or other important service, is absent without authority with the intention of avoiding that service;
(b) having been warned that his vessel is under sailing orders, is absent without authority with the intention of missing that vessel;
(c) absents himself without authority from his place of duty with the intention of remaining absent from his place of duty;
(d) is absent without authority from his place of duty and at any time during such absence forms the intention of remaining absent from his place of duty; or
(e) while absent with authority from his place of duty, with the intention of remaining absent from his place of duty, does any act or omits to do anything the natural and probable consequence of which act or omission is to preclude the person from being at his place of duty at the time required.
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baudspeed
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agreed. I am by no way employed by the CF, but the way i see it, if you are in any job for the money there is not going to be alot of pay off. You have to want to do what you are doing, even on the *** days.
And i wouldnt suggest 'Just nto showing up' to any job on the first day. It comes back to haunt you when someone does a background check, and is generally short sighted.
And i wouldnt suggest 'Just nto showing up' to any job on the first day. It comes back to haunt you when someone does a background check, and is generally short sighted.
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You are a member of the Canadian Forces. You signed a contract for at least three years, maybe more depending on what you signed up for. It's going to be a long enough process to get out even if you play nice, but if you go AWOL from BMQ you're going to be in for a long tough go. You'll be charged, probably lose quite a chunk of your first pay cheque, and end up CB'D (confined to barracks) while you rot in PAT platoon awaiting the next available BMQ. You'll still have inspections, PT, and a whole lot of personal attention from some master corporals, and all for nothing.
If you really want out, then don't waste everyones time, find out who owns you right now, likely its still your recruiting center, go there and put in your VR immediately. Your course staff will have better things to do than to deal with a bunch of VR's in the first week. If you think its going to be embarrassing going into the recruiting center and saying you made a mistake, just wait and see the way your course mates look at you when you VR off of BMQ. I imagine it would be a very lonely and humiliating time.
If you really want out, then don't waste everyones time, find out who owns you right now, likely its still your recruiting center, go there and put in your VR immediately. Your course staff will have better things to do than to deal with a bunch of VR's in the first week. If you think its going to be embarrassing going into the recruiting center and saying you made a mistake, just wait and see the way your course mates look at you when you VR off of BMQ. I imagine it would be a very lonely and humiliating time.
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17thRecceSgt
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FWIW
Aside from the points George has pointed out in ref to the NDA...
Its obvious your commitment to the CF was $$ based. Mine is not. Lots of others is not. Its for more important things.
It saddens me to even see a post of this type, being that our country's best are putting it on the line, and you want to "tap out" after wasting time, effort and $$ from CFRG staff, 'cause you "got a better offer".
However, its a good thing they didn't fit you for DEUs yet, cause that would just waste more money.
just my 2 cents. Hopefully CFRG can fill your BMQ spot with someone.
Good luck. Thanks for tapping out for $$. :
You DO realize what forum you are posting this on?? "How can I bow-out of military service after I fooled CFRG into taking me serious."
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With all due respect (and I DO mean that), time to step aside friend. And no, do not collect $200 for passing Go. Just sad. :
Aside from the points George has pointed out in ref to the NDA...
Its obvious your commitment to the CF was $$ based. Mine is not. Lots of others is not. Its for more important things.
It saddens me to even see a post of this type, being that our country's best are putting it on the line, and you want to "tap out" after wasting time, effort and $$ from CFRG staff, 'cause you "got a better offer".
However, its a good thing they didn't fit you for DEUs yet, cause that would just waste more money.
just my 2 cents. Hopefully CFRG can fill your BMQ spot with someone.
Good luck. Thanks for tapping out for $$. :
You DO realize what forum you are posting this on?? "How can I bow-out of military service after I fooled CFRG into taking me serious."
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With all due respect (and I DO mean that), time to step aside friend. And no, do not collect $200 for passing Go. Just sad. :
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Partly disagree, its better that he/she book it now rather than later when someone might be depending on him/her....
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17thRecceSgt
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Bruce Monkhouse said:
Bruce,
Not sure I know what you mean?
Mud
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Well, if he/she, AFTER signing a contract, is deciding whether to honour that contract or not doesn't sound like the type of person you want watching your six, now does it?
Sounds too much like a professional athlete to me........ :crybaby:
Sounds too much like a professional athlete to me........ :crybaby:
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17thRecceSgt
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Totally agree Bruce, totally. I was attempting to make that point...missed the target maybe.
Again, I think its sad to even see the original post on this site. There's always one in the crowd?
Mud
Again, I think its sad to even see the original post on this site. There's always one in the crowd?
Mud
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Peel potatoes for remainder of contract.
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OR.....
Ask instead to be put into the Primary Reserve....Then you can serve and get your $$$ from your better offer. You apent time looking into the military, and the military spent time and money on you, whynot try both?
Ask instead to be put into the Primary Reserve....Then you can serve and get your $$$ from your better offer. You apent time looking into the military, and the military spent time and money on you, whynot try both?
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Don't want him in the Mo either.
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glenndon
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Going to have to agree with Bruce on this one. . .
My wife just went reg force and started basic this week. When doing her paperwork at the recruiting center, the group she was with were told if after they swear in, but before they go to St Jean they decide it isn't for them, to make an appointment with a MCC to get out.
Glenn
My wife just went reg force and started basic this week. When doing her paperwork at the recruiting center, the group she was with were told if after they swear in, but before they go to St Jean they decide it isn't for them, to make an appointment with a MCC to get out.
Glenn
