Posted by "John Hill" <jhill66@HOTMAIL.COM> on Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:45:14 PDT
Thanks for the clarifacation.
>From: Rhett
>Reply-To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
>Subject: Re: Disbandment Not Shame
>Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:50:42 -0400
>
>Hello Ian and John
>
>Just to let you know Ian that the reference to the RMR formation is in fact
>the
>following:
>
>The 14th Canadian Infantry Battalion, later designated by special warrant
>as the
>"Royal Montreal Regiment", was quickly raised in September 1914. The RMR
>Battalion was formed from cadres coy strength presented by three Montreal
>Regiments the 1st Regiment Canadian Grenadier Guards, the 3rd Regiment
>Victoria
>Rifles of Canada and the 65th Regiment Les Carabiniers MontRoyal later to
>be
>known as the Fusiliars de MontRoyal. The Minister of Militia and Defence
>ordered
>the amalgamation to expedite the departure of the 1st Canadian Contingent
>to
>Europe. The 14th Battalion became one of four units comprising the 3rd
>Infantry
>Brigade.
>
>After demobilization and the reorganization of the Canadian Militia, the
>14th
>Canadian Battalion Royal Montreal Regiment C.E.F. and the 58th Westmount
>Rifles
>were amalgamated into one unit - The Royal Montreal Regiment on July 2,
>1920.
>
>The RMR proudly displays its origins in the armoury and its association
>with the
>Vics, CGG, and the FMR as well as with the 58th and the 23rd Bns.
>
>And that‘s the way it was.
>
>Rhett Lawson
>former RMR SunRay
>
>Ian Edwards wrote:
>
> > To John Hill from Ian Edwards:
> >
> > I‘m not sure if we are agreeing with each other or not. Perhaps the
> > question is rather moot. The facts ARE that the Victoria Rifles of
> > Canada were offically "reduced to nil strength" and "placed upon the
> > Supplementary Order of Battle List March 5, 1965." Nearly all of the
> > many 252 infantry battalions Mounted Rifles, etc. of WW1 were
> > actually, officially, disbanded in 1920 according to various General
> > Orders published that year.
> >
> > I‘m not sure of your tense "the RMR was placed in the Militia".
> > Actually, the RMR began, officially, as the 58th Westmount Rifles in
> > 1914 and in its present designation acquired in 1920 still going
> > strong. It has never had any connection with the Victoria Rifles, at
> > least on paper.
> >
> > As to why certain regiments were disbanded in 1964/65 or 1968 almost all
> > bit the dust because they were either "rural" or didn‘t have any
> > significant WW2 overseas service or because there were too many units in
> > one location and someone had to go, usually the one with the least
> > significant service. There are exceptions for eg. 4PLDG, I would argue,
> > went while RdeHull nearby stayed - you can guess the reason for that
> > choice
> >
> > I don‘t think there was any shame in any of them being disbanded call
> > it what you want. Clearly, the Cdn Abn Regt disbanded under a great
> > cloud - one can argue until the cows come home whether it was bound to
> > happen, Somalia or not. I‘ve nothing to add to that debate - all the
> > points have been made several times.
> >
> > John Hill wrote:
> > >
> > > Those Regiments were never for the most part disbanded, but placed on
>the
> > > inactive list. Their were exceptions and decisions, for example the
>Royal
> > > Montreal Regiment was placed in the Militia. While its sister
>regiment, The
> > > Victoria Rifles, was disbanded. In this case because there were too
>many
> > > units in a geographical area. No shame was attached, in fact the unit
> > > served honourably in WWI.
> > >
> > > >From: Ian Edwards
> > > >Reply-To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
> > > >To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
> > > >Subject: Re: Disbandment Not Shame
> > > >Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 16:46:01 -0700
> > > >
> > > >With the possible exception of the Cdn Abn Regt: not true!!!
> > > >Consider all the units disbanded in 1920 and 1946.
> > > >
> > > >John Hill wrote:
> > > > > Disbandment also connotates shame suppositly.
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