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Liberal Minority Government 2021 - ????

Plus, what's REALLY got people pissed off is how much their wages are being stretch due to inflation, housing prices, and the world economy. These are cutting into people's wallets far more than any of Trudeau/the LPC's policies.
But much of that IS due to federal government policies: hostility toward fossil-fueled energy, increasing immigration, new social welfare spending, deficit-financed consumption spending (very little is actual nuts-and-bolts infrastructure "investment"). The government creates new problems that have to be solved, but does very little to mitigate the resulting disruption.
 
What was previously on offer were solid intellects with good work habits. Style won versus substance, which emptied out all the protestations of the "reality-based community" that they were serious people.
Of course which goes to what the electorate found appealing. Also the COC ran a hard advertising campaign to make them both look terrible as well. “Just visiting” was very successful.

Trudeau ran a populist campaign about sunny ways and positivity. It countered the CPC a negative messaging they tried to repeat with him.
 
Of course which goes to what the electorate found appealing. Also the COC ran a hard advertising campaign to make them both look terrible as well. “Just visiting” was very successful.

Trudeau ran a populist campaign about sunny ways and positivity. It countered the CPC a negative messaging they tried to repeat with him.
Come on guys, let face it, Trudeau won for one very specific reason:

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Give the population pot to bake themselves into submission and take away their guns so they can't turn against the government.
 
Come on guys, let face it, Trudeau won for one very specific reason:

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It doesn’t look like anything on my phone, but I’m guessing that’s a pot leaf?
 
What was previously on offer were solid intellects with good work habits. Style won versus substance, which emptied out all the protestations of the "reality-based community" that they were serious people.
I agree with in that’s how I saw Harp in that election, especially compared to Trudeau. However, even I have to acknowledge that by that time the secrecy and controlling nature of his PMO, and ham fisted behaviour of his boys in short pants was really starting to turn people off. Trudeau was promising the opposite but delivered the same, with decreased state capacity.
 
Totally coincidental timing.

Liberals face backlash over policy to trace journalists’ sources before publication online

The Liberals faced a backlash Monday over a policy the party approved at its national convention that critics said could force journalists to reveal confidential sources.

The policy calls on the government to “explore options” for forcing online information services to publish material based only on named sources. Conservative MPs said this would amount to a form of censorship, and the Canadian Civil Liberties Association warned it would chill the freedom of the press.

The policy was contained in a resolution drawn up by British Columbia Liberals and put on the convention’s agenda. It was voted on by party members on Saturday, and its approval makes it Liberal Party policy. But that does not mean it is the policy of the Liberal government.

Liberal MPs sought to distance themselves from the policy on Monday, with several saying it would not become law.


Why would anyone think the Liberals want to control the media? Oh, I can think of a few reasons...
Wait, so the allegations in The Globe story were true? Our sources were not partisan coup-plotters? The Globe’s reporters and editors are not credulous half-wits?

Or what else are we to conclude from the Trudeau government’s decision to expel a Chinese diplomat, Zhao Wei, shortly after The Globe reported he had been gathering information on family members of Conservative MP Michael Chong, a prominent critic of the Beijing regime, with the intent of making “an example” of him.

The Globe cited “a top-secret intelligence assessment” and an unnamed “national-security source,” as it has in several previous stories on Beijing’s wide-ranging attempts to interfere in Canada’s politics – much to the Liberals’s embarrassment. To now the government and its proxies have spent considerable effort trying to dismiss these as unimportant, or unreliable or both – hearsay! innuendo! – without specifically denying anything. That campaign is now presumably at an end.

The story, it is now admitted, was true. Mr. Chong’s family was being targeted. The Globe’s sources were right, and The Globe was right to report what they had to say – even if they remained unnamed. Had it not, the matter would never have come to light, Mr. Chong would never have been told, and no Chinese diplomat would be going home.

And yet even as the Liberal government was tacitly endorsing The Globe’s use of unnamed sources, the Liberal Party was busy demanding the practice be outlawed. Resolution 472 at the party’s national convention, passed without debate, calls on the government to “explore options to hold on-line information services accountable for the veracity of material published on their platforms and to limit publication only to material whose sources can be traced.” How very tidy.



Haters will say the Liberals are trying to silence whistle blowers when all they're doing is finally giving the Canadian people the transparency they asked for.
 
Totally coincidental timing.

Liberals face backlash over policy to trace journalists’ sources before publication online




Why would anyone think the Liberals want to control the media? Oh, I can think of a few reasons...




Haters will say the Liberals are trying to silence whistle blowers when all they're doing is finally giving the Canadian people the transparency they asked for.
FWIW, proposals passed at convention do not automatically become party policy or platform. Trudeau has already splashed water on that, and has said the government will definitely not adopt that proposal from the party convention.

 
FWIW, proposals passed at convention do not automatically become party policy or platform. Trudeau has already splashed water on that, and has said the government will definitely not adopt that proposal from the party convention.

which translates into they have it planned for after the next election provided they get a majority but don't want to talk about it yet
 
which translates into they have it planned for after the next election provided they get a majority but don't want to talk about it yet

Nah. Anyone at all versed in s.2 of the Charter sees the easy ‘nope’ on that one. We have a protected right to say a whole lot of really stupid and ignorant stuff.
 
That this sort of thing is even a topic for discussion is alarming. It doesn't matter if Trudeau has poured water on it. The embers can continue to smoulder until well after he's gone.
 
That this sort of thing is even a topic for discussion is alarming. It doesn't matter if Trudeau has poured water on it. The embers can continue to smoulder until well after he's gone.

Well, it's not like he didn't get the fire going on his own .... on the record


Justin Trudeau's 'foolish' China remarks spark anger​


'It seems to be that he's not well-informed,' Asian-Canadian says of Liberal leader​


Members of the Asian-Canadian community are demanding an apology from Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau, following his comments on Thursday expressing admiration for China's "basic dictatorship."

A round table of people from China, Taiwan, Tibet and Korea — all of whom say they suffered at the hands of China's dictatorship — said they were insulted by Trudeau's remarks, made on Thursday at a women's event.

The Liberal leader was asked which nation he admired most. He responded: "There's a level of admiration I actually have for China. Their basic dictatorship is actually allowing them to turn their economy around on a dime."

That statement was upsetting for people who say they were wrongly imprisoned or tortured by the Chinese government for speaking out for democracy.

"Can I use the word 'foolish'"? said one member of the Federation for a Democratic China, characterizing Trudeau's words. The political group advocates for the democratization of China.

 
And then there is section 33 which completely overrides section 2 and has no penalty for its usage.

If there is a will, the government has built in a way.

I mean, yeah, hypothetically the legislature could seek to notwithstand such a law… I personally would happily bet against it.
 
And then there is section 33 which completely overrides section 2 and has no penalty for its usage.

If there is a will, the government has built in a way.
It depends on which government.

Since the notwithstanding clause was created, the only government's that have used it or tried to use it have been the provinces, and very interestingly its always been conservative governments, or Quebec. Liberal government (other than Quebec) have never tried to use it.

Also, Trudeau has on several occasions spoken out against the notwithstanding clause. I don't expect the current government to ram laws down canadian throats using the notwithstanding clause.
 
No, he prefers OICs.
Apples to oranges.

Use of an OIC still requires that the decision/policy your are enacting with the OIC be constitutional. Section 33 is literally a way to enact laws that are unconstitutional.
 
Which only work because they’re explicitly provided for in the enabling legislation passed by Parliament. We have a lot of laws that work that way.

Apples to oranges.

Use of an OIC still requires that the decision/policy your are enacting with the OIC be constitutional. Section 33 is literally a way to enact laws that are unconstitutional.

Either way he is

ram laws down canadian throats

We really shouldn't have a process to allow the creation of laws without debate and vote in the HOC and on.

But that's just me.
 
Either way he is



We really shouldn't have a process to allow the creation of laws without debate and vote in the HOC and on.

But that's just me.

You realize that OICs are simply federal regulations, and that a vast amount of our law is regulatory done in exactly this manner? What you’re saying would require Parliament to amend the Special Economic Measures Act each time there’s any change to sanctions against any foreign state or entity. It would require Parliment to amend the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act any time there’s a change needed to money laundering regulations, etc etc.

Look up any round of regulations in the Canada Gazette and imagine every single one of those is a bill that has to be passed through all three readings and committee in both Houses of Parliament. Flexible regulatory powers are basically the only way a lot of systems can work properly. We would utterly logjam our entire legislative process. Attempts to, say, reform criminal law on bail would be completely jammed up behind hundreds of minute bills prescribing the new round of sanctioned Russian oligarchs, appointing new federal judges, prescribing new approved medications, prescribing new import tariffs, etc etc.

Seriously- flip through a couple issues of Part II of the Canada Gazette. Under what you propose, every single item starting with “SOR” would have to be a full piece of legislation.

All regulations/OICs are absolutely able to be challenged in court. Due process does still exist.
 
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