Engr Offr Trg by-pass from Advanced Assault Pioneer Course?

[Sylverr]

I was lucky enough to be on one of the last run Advanced Pioneer Courses run in the Infantry School back in 2000. I recently CFR'd and wish to submit a PLAR to be exempt the upcoming Engineering Officer Phase 3 (BEOC DP 1.1). I reviewed the BEOC DP 1.1 Training Plan and it's almost an exact match to the Advanced Pioneer Course. My dilemma is trying to track down a Training Plan from a course that isn't offered anymore to match up PO's. Can anyone point me in the right direction or better yet is there any former instructors on this forum that might still have something kicking about.

Thank you.

 

[George Wallace]

I was lucky enough to be on one of the last run Advanced Pioneer Courses run in the Infantry School back in 2000. I recently CFR'd and wish to submit a PLAR to be exempt the upcoming Engineering Officer Phase 3 (BEOC DP 1.1). I reviewed the BEOC DP 1.1 Training Plan and it's almost an exact match to the Advanced Pioneer Course. My dilemma is trying to track down a Training Plan from a course that isn't offered anymore to match up PO's. Can anyone point me in the right direction or better yet is there any former instructors on this forum that might still have something kicking about.

Thank you.

Do you have a copy of your Course Report listing all the POs you covered and your marks?  That would be a start.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

I was lucky enough to be on one of the last run Advanced Pioneer Courses run in the Infantry School back in 2000. I recently CFR'd and wish to submit a PLAR to be exempt the upcoming Engineering Officer Phase 3 (BEOC DP 1.1). I reviewed the BEOC DP 1.1 Training Plan and it's almost an exact match to the Advanced Pioneer Course. My dilemma is trying to track down a Training Plan from a course that isn't offered anymore to match up PO's. Can anyone point me in the right direction or better yet is there any former instructors on this forum that might still have something kicking about.

Thank you.

What's wrong with a little refresher, besides when was the last time you did any demolitions?

 

[PuckChaser]

What's wrong with a little refresher, besides when was the last time you did any demolitions?

And who doesn't like watching stuff explode?

 

[Nfld Sapper]

And who doesn't like watching stuff explode?

Well that depends.... I get 4 months of  "groundhog day" every 3 weeks when I am at the school... lol

 

[Sylverr]

Thanks for the quick responses. I have the course report but I need the PO's broken down into more detail. Who really wants to spend 2 1/2 months of the Summer on course especially if you're repeating training you've already done?

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Thanks for the quick responses. I have the course report but I need the PO's broken down into more detail. Who really wants to spend 2 1/2 months of the Summer on course especially if you're repeating training you've already done?

Again I ask when was the last time you did explosive training and what is covered on Phase 3 is more than blowing stuff up, there is lots of orders and planning, engineer recce's, bridging,etc..... those items would not have been covered on the Pioneer Course (I believe)

I'll have a better look at what is on the BEOC 1.1 course tomorrow.......

 

[Sylverr]

Hi NFLD Sapper...I dug out all my paperwork and yes lots of orders, recce's, bridging gaps, etc.... We walk away with Demolition Instructor and Landmine Warfare Instructor qualifications as I'm sure you already know. I have a copy of the BEOC 1.1 TP and already compared Mods 2 to 5...all good. It's Mod 1 that I'd really like the Advanced Pioneer TP to compare to for a couple things. I appreciate your help and concern.

 

[MJP]

What's wrong with a little refresher, besides when was the last time you did any demolitions?

Why waste time and money if he doesn't need it?  Worst case they review his PLAR and send him on the course.  Best case he gets it, frees up a spot for someone else and continues on.

Sylverr I sent a quick email to an advanced pioneer bud of mine to see if he has any legacy TP stuff.  I know he is on leave right now so I don't hold out much hope for quick reply but you never know.

 

[Sylverr]

Thanks MJP!
You know exactly where I'm coming from...after 16 years in the Infantry as an RCR (3 as a Paratrooper), last 6 as a Firefighter and now CFR to Construction Engineering Officer - Fire Protection Specialist...it would be nice to find out that some Infantry skills might actually still count for something.

Cheers!

 

[Wookilar]

Mods 1-4 are the same for BEOC/CEOC, it's Mod 5 that is different.

You'll be doing Airfield Damage Repair, the Army guys will be doing their Demolitions. What a smoke eater will do with that is not for me to say  ;D.

The final say is up to LFDTS on any PLAR, with a recommendation from the school. Certainly can't hurt to ask.

Wook

 

[Sylverr]

Thanks Wook.
That's the first I've heard about the difference in Mod 5. I'm getting some great info and support on this forum. I should have signed up for this years ago...lol.

 

[Sylverr]

Thank you to everyone who helped me out...especially Technoviking who came through with everything I needed. This forum is indeed an asset for Military Pers and those wishing to join.

Sylverr



PO/EO INDEX

401 INSTRUCT PIONEER SUBJECTS
.01 Instruct mine warfare/booby trap subjects.
.02 Instruct demolition subjects

402 COMMAND  AN ASSAULT PIONEER PLATOON/SECTION IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF FIELD DEFENCES AND OBSTACLES
.01 Task planning process
.02 Supervise construction of field defences
.03 Supervise construction of obstacles

403 COMMAND AN ASSAULT PIONEER PLATOON/SECTION IN MAINTAINING UNIT MOBILITY
.01 Supervise the construction of expedient roads.
.02 Supervise the construction of a helicopter landing zone.
.03 Supervise the construction of winter roads and bridges.
.04 Supervise the construction of a non-standard bridge.
.05 Classify bridges.

404 SITE AND DESIGN AN IMPROVISED DECONTAMINATION CENTRE
.01 Site an improvised decontamination centre.
.02 Construction requirements of an improvised decontamination centre.

405 COMMAND AN ASSAULT PIONEER PLATOON/SECTION IN GAP AND WATER CROSSING OPERATIONS
.01 Calculate safe working load for SWR and cordage.
.02 Supervise the construction of field machines.
.04 Plan and conduct reconnaissance of crossing sites

406 COMMAND AN ASSAULT PIONEER PLATOON/SECTION IN MINE WARFARE OPERATIONS
.01 Adhere to mine warfare safety
.02 Site a minefield.
.03 Supervise the laying and marking of a minefield
.04 Report and record a minefield.
.05 Plan and supervise the breaching and clearing of a minefield.(1)
.06 Operate foreign mines.

407 COMMAND AN ASSAULT PIONEER PLATOON/SECTION IN BOOBY-TRAP OPERATIONS
.01 Supervise the setting of booby-traps.
.02 Supervise the clearance of booby-traps.

408 COMMAND AN ASSAULT PIONEER PLATOON/SECTION IN DEMOLITION OPERATIONS
.01 Intro to EDIC and adhere to demolition safety.
.02 Calculations for placing and firing charges.
.03 Techniques for the destruction of duds.(2)
.04 Prepare and initiate commercial and expedient explosives.
.05 Plan and conduct bridge demolition tasks.
.06 Reconnaissance, plan and conduct demolition tasks.
.07 Planning, supervising and conducting demolition training.(3)
.08 Prepare and operate BERFS.
.09 Plan and supervise battle simulation.