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Don Cherry to receive honorary doctorate from RMC

With no disrespect intended to our francophone brothers and sisters in arms, and civillian as well, this 'Language teacher' should have bloody well kept her P's and Q's to herself in this matter, and let a fine man recieve a fine award. This is truly a sad time. My :2c:.  :remembrance:
 
Here's a thought exercise:  What is the role of RMC?  And how would recognizing Don Cherry fit within that mandate?

Well, according to no less an authority than the CDS,

4. THE ROLE OF RMC IS TO

A. EDUCATE AND TRAIN OFFICER CADETS AND COMMISSIONED OFFICERS FOR A CAREER OF EFFECTIVE SERVICE IN THE CANADIAN FORCES;

B. ASSIST IN THE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF OFFICERS THROUGH THE DELIVERY OF THE OFFICER PROFESSIONAL MILITARY EDUCATION PROGRAM,CONTINUING STUDIES PROGRAMS, PREPARATION YEAR ACADEMIC PROGRAM, THE LAND FORCES TECHNICAL STAFF PROGRAM AND OR OTHER PROGRAMS AS DIRECTED BY COMMANDER CDA; AND

C. PROVIDE GENERAL MANAGEMENT AND SPECIALIST MANAGEMENT TRAINING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL DEFENCE

So, how does Don Cherry fit within that framework?
 
dapaterson said:
Here's a thought exercise:  What is the role of RMC?  And how would recognizing Don Cherry fit within that mandate?

So, how does Don Cherry fit within that framework?

Altruism, charity, loyalty, sincerity and dogged determination (especially against the odds).
 
dapaterson said:
Here's a thought exercise:  What is the role of RMC?  And how would recognizing Don Cherry fit within that mandate?

Well, according to no less an authority than the CDS,

So, how does Don Cherry fit within that framework?

Not to burst your bubble but the institution isn't exclusively dedicated to these objectives anymore in practice. I don't want to go on a rant but the RETP program and over funded and bloated varsity department come to mind.
 
Inky said:
Not to burst your bubble but the institution isn't exclusively dedicated to these objectives anymore in practice. I don't want to go on a rant but the RETP program and over funded and bloated varsity department come to mind.

You've got to be kidding me. Do you even know where a good portion of the varsity teams funding comes from?
 
Quite aware much of it is funded by the club and donations, I believe they shouldn't get any money from the college, furthermore, I'm sick of the varsity status being a "get out of military duty free" pass.
 
They get a pass on certain military duties because of the time commitment required by their varsity teams. I'm sure if you do the math they spend much more time with their varsity teams then the non-varsity people do on military activities that the varsity athletes get to miss.

Just for the record, I wasn't a varsity athlete.
 
dapaterson said:
Here's a thought exercise:  What is the role of RMC?  And how would recognizing Don Cherry fit within that mandate?

Well, according to no less an authority than the CDS,

So, how does Don Cherry fit within that framework?

One can also ask what providing bachelor degrees and making first year cadets walk around Kingston in uniform does to meet those goals.
 
yoman said:
They get a pass on certain military duties because of the time commitment required by their varsity teams. I'm sure if you do the math they spend much more time with their varsity teams then the non-varsity people do on military activities that the varsity athletes get to miss.

Just for the record, I wasn't a varsity athlete.

I'm aware of the time commitment, the problem is that you create a separate class of OCdts at the college who do not follow the same training as the other, effectively putting much more emphasis on the athletic pillar for these students and less on the military one.

Furthermore, there is often a lack of integrity from players who will avoid duty even though they don't have anything at the time simply because of their status with complicity from some coaches at times.

The way I see it,  you should be able to do Varsity only if you're able to do everything that other OCdts do at the college such as training weekends or the many parades we have in a year. If that's impossible then perhaps we should reconsider our choice to have RMC participate in Varsity leagues.
 
What purpose is served by awarding Mr Cherry an honourary degree?

The answer is "A", as in:

4. THE ROLE OF RMC IS TO

A. EDUCATE AND TRAIN OFFICER CADETS AND COMMISSIONED OFFICERS FOR A CAREER OF EFFECTIVE SERVICE IN THE CANADIAN FORCES;

Dealing with the public, cultivating goodwill and being ready with the "30 second pitch" whenever someone asks you about the CF would seem to fall under tht particular heading, and cultivating a person with the public "footprint" of a Don Cherry (or Rick Mercer, who has also had some good words for the CF, to name two) would seem to be a very important task.

The fact that a civil service language instructor is allowed to interfere with such a task should be cause for concern (she can exercise her freedom of speech by writing to the local newspaper or appearing on the local cable channel, that would be a perfect way to express a personal and political opinion separate from the association with RMC); and I do hope the powers that be at RMC take "EDUCATE AND TRAIN OFFICER CADETS AND COMMISSIONED OFFICERS FOR A CAREER OF EFFECTIVE SERVICE IN THE CANADIAN FORCES" both as a broadly based mandate and as a serious commitment.
 
Inky said:
I'm aware of the time commitment, the problem is that you create a separate class of OCdts at the college who do not follow the same training as the other, effectively putting much more emphasis on the athletic pillar for these students and less on the military one.

Furthermore, there is often a lack of integrity from players who will avoid duty even though they don't have anything at the time simply because of their status with complicity from some coaches at times.

The way I see it,  you should be able to do Varsity only if you're able to do everything that other OCdts do at the college such as training weekends or the many parades we have in a year. If that's impossible then perhaps we should reconsider our choice to have RMC participate in Varsity leagues.

This is different than any other military organization/unit. I know lots of guys that went through their careers on a "sports scholarship". In Germany the Regimental whine was" I'm not going to play hockey unless I get (insert course name)" One always hoped that you didn't have any hockey players in your crew because you would  get stuck doing their work as well as your own..

Back on topic every time I've met Don or had any dealings with him he has always been genuine and a big supporter of all thing military.
 
Here, reproduced under the fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the National Post, is a pretty fair summation of the Don Cherry situation:

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/11/08/don-cherry-%E2%80%94-no-more-insufferable-than-your-loud-least-favourite-uncle
Don Cherry — no more insufferable than your loud, least-favourite uncle

Chris Selley

Nov 8, 2011

People don’t like Don Cherry. Fair enough. He says obnoxious things, holds unpopular opinions, can’t string a sentence together, yells a lot. I don’t like him either. But is he a prolific, all-purpose bigot?

When Royal Military College decided to bestow an honorary doctorate on Mr. Cherry at its Nov. 17 convocation — which he has declined, citing the inevitable circus — French instructor Catherine Lord distributed a letter claiming that “on many occasions,” he has “publicly expressed his contempt for many groups of the Canadian population, notably for the French-speaking Canadians, for the LGBT community and for the immigrants.”

These are serious allegations. Yet neither Ms. Lord nor some media outlets mentioned a single example of his crimes. Why bother? In polite Canadian society, Mr. Cherry is like a totem of intolerance, broadcasting disharmony throughout Canada and the world. To hear some commentators, you’d think Canada had never fought a war, or two hockey players each other, before he came along. It’s well worth revisiting his actual record.

First, let’s consider his “many” expressions of “contempt” for the gay community. But this is awkward: I can’t find any. He sometimes mimics his busybody critics using an effeminate voice — does that count?

Mr. Cherry didn’t even have to be convinced about same-sex marriage: He declared it no skin off his back way back in 2004.

He certainly has a long and distinguished history of infuriating francophones. In 1991, he sympathized with a young Eric Lindros, who didn’t want to play in Quebec City. In 1993, he feigned bafflement at the phrase “Coupe Memorial” — which was to be played in bilingualism-averse Sault Ste. Marie, Ont. In 1998, after the Bloc Québécois complained of too many Canadian flags in the Olympic Village in Nagano, and moguls skier Jean-Luc Brassard lamented the distraction of carrying the flag in the Opening Ceremonies, Mr. Cherry called Quebecers “whiners.”

In 2004, he suggested French-Canadian and European hockey players disproportionately wear visors (which was true), and that most high-sticking penalties were committed by players wearing visors. These were separate statements in a long, baffling rant, but once they were cleaned up and stitched together, many believed he’d accused French-Canadians and Europeans of playing dirty hockey and, by extension, of being inferior beings.

This brings us to immigrants. In 1989, Mr. Cherry pointed out that Winnipeg Jets coach Alpo Suhonen shares a first name with a brand of dog food. He once referred to the war in the Balkans as “Lower Slobovia attacking Slimea.” There’s the whole visor thing. And if you totted up the mean things he has said about players over the years, it’s safe to say Europeans would bear a disproportionate, but by no means exclusive, brunt.

To my mind, the worst thing Mr. Cherry has ever said was after two Russian athletes tested positive for drugs at the Salt Lake City Olympics: “I’ve been trying to tell you people for so long about the Russians, what kind of people they are, and you just love them in Canada with your multiculturalism. They’re quitters and evidently they take a lot of drugs, too.” I can think of no defence to offer him in this case, and I’m not here to defend him anyway.

The question at hand, basically, is whether Don Cherry is fit for polite society — fit to broadcast his opinions and have the occasional honour bestowed upon him. A good test might be to scan your friends, relatives and colleagues for similar opinions about Canadian society: Quebecers whine; official bilingualism is stupid; marriage should be between a man and a woman. How many of us would come up empty? In fact, these are perfectly mainstream opinions. You hear them on talk radio every day. Mr. Cherry just happens to have a huge audience and a gig at the CBC, which makes it Everyone’s Business.

People rightly criticize Mr. Cherry for talking politics, instead of hockey. But the same people routinely turn hockey talk into politics: When Mr. Cherry criticizes a European player, he’s anti-immigrant. But he’s not complaining about their accents, religions, food or driving habits. He’s complaining about his perception of the way filthy-rich foreign hockey players play the game, compared with filthy-rich Canadians. If he’s wrong, who cares?

Again, people ought to scan their friends, family and colleagues — and themselves — for Cherry-esque sentiments before they condemn. When Canadian fans lionize the national team’s tough play, what are they saying about the other teams? When Montreal Canadiens fans bemoan the lack of Québécois players on their team, what are they saying about the current roster? Why do the well-dressed, bien-pensant fans at Toronto’s Air Canada Centre cheer terrible Canadian players more lustily than much better European ones?

Call it bigotry if you want, but sports is inherently xenophobic. Our boys heroes, your boys villainous scum. It’s war without death. Over the years, Mr. Cherry has said a few reprehensible things, and yet he’s been hounded for dozens more that were just harmless word farts. Politicians have risen in the House of Commons. The Official Languages Commissioner has investigated. What is the point of this endless vendetta, when he’s on CBC for 10 minutes a week? I think he’s actually a rather good reflection of a Canada that exists despite the fondest wishes of people like Ms. Lord. But he’s certainly no more insufferable than your loud, least-favourite uncle — and he comes with a mute button.

National Post
Email: cselley@nationalpost.com


Like Chris Shelly I come neither to praise nor even to bury Don Cherry and I have no strong views, one way or another, re: an honourary degree from RMC. What I do find objectionable is that Ms. Lord is not called upon, by the media, to provide some concrete examples of Cherry's "contempt for many groups of the Canadian population."
 
Here's a superb article from the Toronto Sun by Joe Warmington:

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/07/grapes-hung-out-to-dry

I am not an RMC grad.  I'm DEO.  I spent some time there doing some OPMEs and I'll tell you, there was one professor that really pissed me off.  The only thing that kept me from telling her where to go was my professionalism.  Her opinions where "way out there", and these are the people that are instructing our future leaders?

As for Mr. Cherry, I fully and wholeheartedly support him.  I have been to Afghanistan and seen first hand the impact of losing personnel.  Working long hours after a death and making sure that the NOK were notified, handling the mortuary affairs paperwork, seeing the Memorial Cross forms and the family that was left behind, the ramp ceremonies for x18 pers, that all placed a huge stress upon me and is probably still with me to this day.  It was nice to purposely stay up late and watch hockey.  To have a distraction from what I had just dealt with.  To watch someone on TV say it what it is like.  To have someone wholeheartedly stand up for us.  THANK YOU MR. CHERRY for providing me with that little break from reality.
 
Great article. I've also been kind of stumped by the lack of reaction from RMC.

Maybe I'm missing something?
 
Well most cadets support Don Cherry but there's not that many things we can say without attracting the Ire of our CoC, there was a pretty brutal crackdown on opinionated comments a couple of weeks ago.
 
Inky said:
... there was a pretty brutal crackdown on opinionated comments a couple of weeks ago.
(chuckle) Before or after Catherine Lord mailed HER opinionated comments to the newspaper ... ?
Meh.
Here's another column in support of Don - fortunately, retired officers can voice THEIR opinion ...
(two thumbs up for General Lew, as well as Don Cherry of course!)

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/story_print.html?id=5672009&sponsor=

Cherry doesn't need an honorary degree

The controversial broadcaster was right to avoid a circus at RMC, Lewis Mackenzie writes. His devotion to the Canadian Forces speaks for itself

Having just returned from a weeklong conference in Los Angeles late Sunday night I sat down at my PC with a view to catching up with world events beyond Republican candidate Herman Cain and the sexual-harassment controversy which dominated the "news" on every U.S. channel for the entire week.

The No. 1 subject as I scrolled through my emails was Don Cherry's decision to pass on the offer of an honorary degree from the Royal Military College. His decision was of particular interest to my regiment, the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, as Don was made an Honorary Patricia, a rare honour, in 2009. The offer was made and accepted by an emotional Don out of respect and appreciation for his unwavering support of the regiment and the Canadian Forces in general throughout his high-profile media career.

In 1998, my son-in-law at the time was serving in the Balkans with UNPROFOR and he called me with a request that Don come over to the operational theatre to cut the ribbon and open a makeshift Don Cherry's Bar the soldiers had constructed. There was little discussion and no negotiation, just a "where and when?" question from Don. You can imagine the morale boost for the soldiers who never imagined such a treat on "opening night" - in spite of the sans alcohol regulation.

Don has an immense amount of respect for the Canadian Forces and it's not something he does to enhance his on-camera persona. It comes from the heart and it's undoubtedly that respect which prompted him to turn down the offer of the RMC degree. There has been a great deal of controversy surrounding some recent comments he made during the ongoing discussion regarding concussions in the National Hockey League, and their long-term effects on hockey's enforcers - comments he admitted were wrong and apologized for without reservation on CBC. He knew the graduation ceremony at RMC would turn into a media circus. In other settings I would imagine Don would enjoy a media circus and most of us would enjoy watching it, but Don has too much regard for soldiers, and in this case a cohort of young future military leaders, to turn their ceremony of celebration into a sideshow.

Many years ago I was nominated for an honorary RMC degree on the heels of receiving numerous honorary doctorates from civilian universities thanks to the outstanding work done by soldiers who worked with me in Sarajevo. The nomination was rejected thanks to some objections by members of the RMC senate, but at least they didn't write letters to the Kingston paper elaborating on their bias as one French professor did in Cherry's case. Don Cherry earned better than that.

Don Cherry's standing with the Canadian Forces would not be measurably elevated with the acceptance of the RMC degree, but his decision to turn the offer down for all the right reasons certainly has. Good on him.

Major-General (Ret'd) Lewis Mackenzie, PPCLI, was UN Commander, Sector Sarajevo, in 1992.
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An excellent article! The last sentence spells it all out. :salute: :remembrance:
 
Scott said:
Great article. I've also been kind of stumped by the lack of reaction from RMC.
There's at least this ....
A representative of Royal Military College says he is disappointed Don Cherry has declined an offer of an honorary doctorate but the college has accepted Cherry's decision.

"It would have been our honour and privilege for Mr. Cherry to have received an honorary degree from the university, in recognition of his outstanding support for our Canadian Forces personnel and for his incredible charitable work," RMC principal Joel Sokolsky stated a release Saturday ....
.... and this so far.
Canada's Royal Military College defended its decision Friday to award an honorary degree later this month to colourful hockey commentator Don Cherry despite protest from at least one faculty member who said the choice sends the wrong message.

"People are entitled to their opinions obviously, but this is a decision that the (school) senate makes," said Capt. Cynthia Kent, spokeswoman for the Kingston, Ont., college.

"The senate stands by its decision to award this honorary degree to Mr. Cherry." ....

yoman said:
Stay tuned...
I wait with bated breath....
 
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