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CAN Secur/Int Committee: Time to Fix RCMP Federal Policing pgm

Because reorgs work so well in such circumstances, right? ;)


Michael Kempa: One year after the Nova Scotia massacre report, it’s time to divide the failing RCMP in two​

As things stand, a beleaguered, poorly structured RCMP leaves Canada a sitting duck

Whether you cleave the RCMP into two separate organizations or have two streams under one organisational roof, the evidence to date (especially in a recent, damning report issued by the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians) indicates the current RCMP structure does not work. It bleeds personnel from federal issues to cover its vast local policing responsibilities. It also leaves newly minted federal police officers uninitiated on the complex new files they must manage. Perhaps the “Royal Canadian Rural Police” and the “Royal Canadian Federal Police” are suitable monikers for two new separate organisations.

 
Because reorgs work so well in such circumstances, right? ;)


Michael Kempa: One year after the Nova Scotia massacre report, it’s time to divide the failing RCMP in two​

As things stand, a beleaguered, poorly structured RCMP leaves Canada a sitting duck

Whether you cleave the RCMP into two separate organizations or have two streams under one organisational roof, the evidence to date (especially in a recent, damning report issued by the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians) indicates the current RCMP structure does not work. It bleeds personnel from federal issues to cover its vast local policing responsibilities. It also leaves newly minted federal police officers uninitiated on the complex new files they must manage. Perhaps the “Royal Canadian Rural Police” and the “Royal Canadian Federal Police” are suitable monikers for two new separate organisations.

 
The author just described either Provincial police services or regional police services….

Tell me again, why the federal government is providing municipal level street policing?

By all means reform the RCMP, but focus it on Federal policing that does not get the attention it deserves. The RCMP could also provide regional forensic lab services and maybe even ERT forces.

And Regina is hardly rural. Everything does not have to be based in Toronto or Ottawa or Montreal to be be legitimate, thank-you very much…
 
The author just described either Provincial police services or regional police services….

Tell me again, why the federal government is providing municipal level street policing?

By all means reform the RCMP, but focus it on Federal policing that does not get the attention it deserves. The RCMP could also provide regional forensic lab services and maybe even ERT forces.

And Regina is hardly rural. Everything does not have to be based in Toronto or Ottawa or Montreal to be be legitimate, thank-you very much…
Because something that made sense a long time ago was never moved on from as cities and provinces grew in size and capability I guess?

A future federally-focused RCMP will face an interesting challenge in attracting a solid mix of academic and professional skills, but still with a healthy mix of boots on the ground police experience. Even in the federal sphere, they’ll still need cops who are experienced and comfortable in doing cold approach door knocks, conducting interviews, executing search warrants, preserving evidence continuity… Lots of nuts and bolts police work that is most readily learned on the road doing the sorts of relatively low stakes, high rep investigations that the Mounties do from day 1 in most detachments. Hopefully the cleavage of federal policing from the RCMP’s contract roots will still leave the door open for career paths where they can attract experienced street cops who’ve done a bunch of stuff already. There’s absolutely room for raw recruits to go directly into federal policing, and a not insignificant number do already. Both are needed.
 
Because something that made sense a long time ago was never moved on from as cities and provinces grew in size and capability I guess?

A future federally-focused RCMP will face an interesting challenge in attracting a solid mix of academic and professional skills, but still with a healthy mix of boots on the ground police experience. Even in the federal sphere, they’ll still need cops who are experienced and comfortable in doing cold approach door knocks, conducting interviews, executing search warrants, preserving evidence continuity… Lots of nuts and bolts police work that is most readily learned on the road doing the sorts of relatively low stakes, high rep investigations that the Mounties do from day 1 in most detachments. Hopefully the cleavage of federal policing from the RCMP’s contract roots will still leave the door open for career paths where they can attract experienced street cops who’ve done a bunch of stuff already. There’s absolutely room for raw recruits to go directly into federal policing, and a not insignificant number do already. Both are needed.
Maybe retain the "police the boonies" role, continue providing/partnering with First Nations police services, set a population cap for provision of services, and count population based on contiguous urban/suburban/industrial development, not municipal boundaries?

Basically, to use Vancouver Island and the Lower Mainland as examples, get out of Nanaimo, West Shore, Surrey, Richmond, Port Coquitlam, Burnaby, North Saanich/Sidney and North Vancouver, and give another couple of dozen municipalities a warning they've got, based on current growth trends, x years to stand up their own police forces.
 
Maybe retain the "police the boonies" role, continue providing/partnering with First Nations police services, set a population cap for provision of services, and count population based on contiguous urban/suburban/industrial development, not municipal boundaries?

Basically, to use Vancouver Island and the Lower Mainland as examples, get out of Nanaimo, West Shore, Surrey, Richmond, Port Coquitlam, Burnaby, North Saanich/Sidney and North Vancouver, and give another couple of dozen municipalities a warning they've got, based on current growth trends, x years to stand up their own police forces.
Tough to gauge, but I don’t think the federal government has much appetite for that. If they keep contract policing beyond the next decade, it’ll be grudgingly.

Once the RCMP are out of the current round of collective bargaining, we may see a revival of their attempt to directly hire off the street into federal policing with a different training model. It was a bargaining freeze that prevented the last attempt to do that.

In any case, whether municipal, provincial or federal, general patrol, homicide, fraud, org crime, or national security- it will still be the reality that Canadians will get the policing their governments are willing to pay for.
 
Maybe retain the "police the boonies" role, continue providing/partnering with First Nations police services, set a population cap for provision of services, and count population based on contiguous urban/suburban/industrial development, not municipal boundaries?

Basically, to use Vancouver Island and the Lower Mainland as examples, get out of Nanaimo, West Shore, Surrey, Richmond, Port Coquitlam, Burnaby, North Saanich/Sidney and North Vancouver, and give another couple of dozen municipalities a warning they've got, based on current growth trends, x years to stand up their own police forces.
We cannot convince people to go to First Nations detachments now- federal policing units doing yoga on lunch hour will not police First Nations communities. It just won’t happen.

The disparity in quality of life between the contract policing isolated/ldp life and the fed life is so extreme you, on a very broad and general sense, will never get meaningful amounts of volunteers to go through the FN communities
 
We cannot convince people to go to First Nations detachments now- federal policing units doing yoga on lunch hour will not police First Nations communities. It just won’t happen.
I think the only way out of that mess is first nation police services, maybe aggregated regionally to make them viable.

Who pays is another story, with no tax base, most first nations are going to say: the feds…
 
I think the only way out of that mess is first nation police services, maybe aggregated regionally to make them viable.

Who pays is another story, with no tax base, most first nations are going to say: the feds…
100% and there is a good portion of Nations and councils of chiefs that say similar.

That will produce a considerably less capable force but it’s a necessary starting point.

And it gets rid of the national news effect that currently happens where Mounties actions are national news- regional treaty or tribal forces won’t be national news with the same shoulder flashes constantly.
 
Lets face it the RCMP are not willing to give up the amount of money they are paid for Municipal Policing.
They will not walk away from 2/3rd of their budget. Especially if Provinces set up their own support services and do not require the RCMP national programs and further reduce funding.
 
Tough to gauge, but I don’t think the federal government has much appetite for that. If they keep contract policing beyond the next decade, it’ll be grudgingly.

Once the RCMP are out of the current round of collective bargaining, we may see a revival of their attempt to directly hire off the street into federal policing with a different training model. It was a bargaining freeze that prevented the last attempt to do that.

In any case, whether municipal, provincial or federal, general patrol, homicide, fraud, org crime, or national security- it will still be the reality that Canadians will get the policing their governments are willing to pay for.
Was looking for a setup that would still have a "novice constable" pipeline, rather than (if you want people rolling into the federal roles to have meaningful time on the road) only having the option of trying to lure $100k-$120k/year constables out of their at least somewhat settled life.
We cannot convince people to go to First Nations detachments now- federal policing units doing yoga on lunch hour will not police First Nations communities. It just won’t happen.

The disparity in quality of life between the contract policing isolated/ldp life and the fed life is so extreme you, on a very broad and general sense, will never get meaningful amounts of volunteers to go through the FN communities
Is that a universal issue, or a square peg problem driven by, e.g., career management practices that treat that sort of work as a baseline rather than a niche? Would treating policing out in the weeds, past a certain early point in a career, as a separate stream be a fix?
 
Was looking for a setup that would still have a "novice constable" pipeline, rather than (if you want people rolling into the federal roles to have meaningful time on the road) only having the option of trying to lure $100k-$120k/year constables out of their at least somewhat settled life.

Novice constables are still very quickly $100k a year in salary alone. There’s no budget option for policing anymore. All police services are competing with each other to recruit and poach.
 
They might be more easily convinced to up sticks, though.
Well sure. They aren’t as vested in one service due to seniority based leave, pay, and posting preferences, or pensions that make lateraling to another service disadvantageous. Lateral hires are generally either pretty junior, or already able to draw their first pension.
 
Was looking for a setup that would still have a "novice constable" pipeline, rather than (if you want people rolling into the federal roles to have meaningful time on the road) only having the option of trying to lure $100k-$120k/year constables out of their at least somewhat settled life.

Is that a universal issue, or a square peg problem driven by, e.g., career management practices that treat that sort of work as a baseline rather than a niche? Would treating policing out in the weeds, past a certain early point in a career, as a separate stream be a fix?
until large amounts, there are plenty of individuals from these communities that answer the call- but not enough to float them, of First Nations people want to be police and nurses and social workers and take care of their communities there is no real pipeline or solution that will work-it’s all a bandaid.

The statistics and what the officers there are exposed to defy compensation- some things like “fly in models” etc will extend the life of getting people to go- but the solution has to be homegrown.

FN police services will always be a farm team for larger forces in Desirable places- there are outliers but the movement out of those forces speaks for themselves. It’s predominately non-FN people that do 4-8 years before lateraling elsewhere.

The RCMP FN contracts are no different- just instead of lateralling out they expect to be posted out to something that lets them decompress.

When FN services take off in full and they have local people doing their work- it will have an epidemic of systemic issues and health concerns for those officers, but that will have to be sorted out by those communities and the government.

I’ve worked with several FN law enforcement agencies and none of them have structured programs to deal with the health and wellness of their officers. Some of whom I worry quite a bit about- but the structures just don’t exist. That will be the new epidemic. The next easily seen issue that shocks all the leadership and governments even though it’s entirely observable now.

The solutions to all of this are solutions that do not try and build on the skeletons of these old band aid solutions. They have to be new things.

Federal policing needs to be its own thing. With its own heavy mentorship on the basics of cop work if they hire off the street. I think mostly experienced officers will go looking for the jobs so it will be a minor-ish issue.

FN policing has to mature into its own thing. The provinces and communities need to take ownership over police forces.

Law enforcement has to accept that tiered enforcement is here to stay and that police officers have priced themselves out of being the only option.

The federal procurement system and the treasury board are incompatible with policing. Policing has a need to meet emergent and new issues in a timely fashion with flexibility. The federal government is not set up to allow that.

So members with families pay high rent for housing with poor access to clean water, no opportunities for their spouses, poor education for their children all while working on the most violent communities in Canada- and that violence is across the street in their neighbourhood, they are working 60 hours a week- sure they make overtime- but their careers are stunted because they only have 60% of the officers they are allotted so they can’t go on course, can’t get on a mentorship, leave is an issue- And that amount of officers is already 20-40% lower than it needs to be by work volume. (If they were full staffed)

When people escape to provincial and federal positions they do not return to these places- not because they are lazy. But because they are horrible for their health.

I’ve done double digits of postings in these places across the country. Some are better than others- but no one in them can do their whole career. Once they get out- they would be crazy to put their families back through it.

I adore these communities and the First Nations people for their resiliency in what they face having been thrown away by the government, only to have the money canon turned on them every few years. They are good people. So are the peace officers there trying to make a difference- but they are fighting uphill in these places. Left behind by the courts and the government. Their leadership are screaming for help constantly. 99.5% of the people are just doing their work and getting by- it’s the same individuals committing horrific acts over and over- and a white judge from the city telling the community that they can’t put them in jail because of a court decision- even though the community is crying out for help.

I don’t believe leaving territorial and FN policing as a side hustle for the new federal service would work. It might for a bit but it would grind to a halt

rant over!
 
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