zipperhead_cop said:It's good to see. Prior to this, they would have just waved them on and the who knows where the car would have went. I'm sure the CBSA folks hated doing that as well.
:At my port the holster strap has been undone a couple of time.. but no draw downs yet. It will come.
WR said::
I am not sure what port you work at, but the only time the "strap" ( it actually is called the hood) comes down is when the Officer is drawing. It is to never be dropped in anticipation. It is something stressed on the course. It is an all or nothing action. I have heard of one instance in Northern Ontario of someone dropping their hood probably to try to look like a movie star or something and that person was spoken to about it. On course they are told to drop their hood and try to draw. Due to muscle memory it actually takes longer to draw it this way compared to when the holster is secured properly.
The job has not changed a lot, except another tool/response option has been added. The Officers on the arming course are also been taught more officer survival skills etc. That is more important than the firearm I believe. There will be unavoidable times where you must draw your firearm, but following the tactical principles etc you can limit those instances.
WR said::
I am not sure what port you work at, but the only time the "strap" ( it actually is called the hood) comes down is when the Officer is drawing. It is to never be dropped in anticipation. It is something stressed on the course. It is an all or nothing action. I have heard of one instance in Northern Ontario of someone dropping their hood probably to try to look like a movie star or something and that person was spoken to about it. On course they are told to drop their hood and try to draw. Due to muscle memory it actually takes longer to draw it this way compared to when the holster is secured properly.
The job has not changed a lot, except another tool/response option has been added. The Officers on the arming course are also been taught more officer survival skills etc. That is more important than the firearm I believe. There will be unavoidable times where you must draw your firearm, but following the tactical principles etc you can limit those instances.
.most effective weapon that any peace officer has is his or her mouth and the way in which they use their authority
IN HOC SIGNO said:My bro in law served 30 years in the OPP retiring as a Staff Sgt....only drew his weapon twice and never fired a shot in anger. Just cause they got em doesn't mean it will now be the Wild West with shoot outs etc. I think the most effective weapon that any peace officer has is his or her mouth and the way in which they use their authority. I am in favour of the arming of the Guards at the border though it's a step in the right direction.
IrishCanuck said:I'm just telling you what I saw from standing next to the armed officer I speak of.
IrishCanuck said:I'm just telling you what I saw from standing next to the armed officer I speak of.
Maybe he was going to draw and stopped short. Granted I wasn't exactly watching my co-worker's every move as I was more focused on the situation with the traveller.
I can say for sure, the sidearm was not drawn, and yes, the "hood" for the Beretta had been undone.
recceguy said:As with most things here, if someone's the SME, (WR is), let's take their word for what the protocol is before we get to the "he said, she said."
Maybe they need something along the lines of an 'incidnet report' every time they break protocol? That, and a more 'eyes wide open' report is going to help you're fellow officer when the investigation takes place. Now that firearms are involved, the more info the witnesses can provide, the better off we'll all be.
geo said:A handgun is a handgun - for personal protection...
If someone in a car shows up at a border crossing and decides he's going to burn through, it is highly unlikely the agent will have time to draw his weapon & what... open fire? not a good thing when there are other innocent civilians about.
He'll still have to get on the phone and get local authorities to give chase.
WR said::
I am not sure what port you work at, but the only time the "strap" ( it actually is called the hood) comes down is when the Officer is drawing. It is to never be dropped in anticipation. It is something stressed on the course. It is an all or nothing action. I have heard of one instance in Northern Ontario of someone dropping their hood probably to try to look like a movie star or something and that person was spoken to about it. On course they are told to drop their hood and try to draw. Due to muscle memory it actually takes longer to draw it this way compared to when the holster is secured properly.
The job has not changed a lot, except another tool/response option has been added. The Officers on the arming course are also been taught more officer survival skills etc. That is more important than the firearm I believe. There will be unavoidable times where you must draw your firearm, but following the tactical principles etc you can limit those instances.
IrishCanuck said:Why would we shoot at someone running the port?
geo said:A handgun is a handgun - for personal protection...
If someone in a car shows up at a border crossing and decides he's going to burn through, it is highly unlikely the agent will have time to draw his weapon & what... open fire? not a good thing when there are other innocent civilians about.
He'll still have to get on the phone and get local authorities to give chase.
zipperhead_cop said:LEO's don't shoot at cars simply because they don't stop. What is your point ???
zipperhead_cop said:LEO's don't shoot at cars simply because they don't stop. What is your point ???