Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Mhm, I'm sure lowering standards will have no impact at all.

Has it had a discernable impact on thise currently serving with MELs that don't breach UoS? You still need to meet your occupational health criteria, and the CEMS currently is well above most if those .

"I was a little taken aback ... I really want to serve my country."

Highlighted above, the problem with military recruitment, workplace environments in general, and everything going wrong in society.

My dude, all of us wanted to serve. Its part of that whole "volunteer army" but we have been trying out for most of our history (minus the 2 conscription crises).

He wasnt stating he was entitled to service, he was saying he was fruatrated he was disqualified for service for an apparently bogus reason.

 

[CountDC]

So then ask your self is it not working because of outsourcing it self, or a lack of accountability?

Both

Never really been sure why there isn't a card printer at each ID section. I'm sure they're expensive, but what's the value of getting rid of the hassle for the member, the process of mailing cards back and forth, and the NDI 10 craft project?

There used to be card printers and they are not really expensive.

Also, create consequences for taking those incentivized postings then not doing your job upon arrival.

Lots of people in my occupation wanted Esquimalt for the location, then magically became unfit sea as soon as they arrived... So two to four people would do all the work, and the rest would collect PLD and enjoy the February cherry blossoms.

Perhaps it's time to eliminate SDA, LDA and the rest, and move exclusively to paying them for time at sea / time in the field... no more bonus money based on an annotation to a position.

This is a reason I support the graduated pay rates based on tiers - 1 post me anywhere, 2 post within Canada, 3 don't post me. If you select 1 then you don't get to back out when posted to the middle east. Select 2 and you don't get to back out when posted. Have a set period for changing your selections. Also need the standard "this is not a 100% that you will not be posted. If a tier is fully posted then members from next tier will be selected from". If something did magically appear to prevent the member from getting posted such as a medical condition they have hidden then a recovery clause could also be included. The fine details would be up to the lawyers to work out.

 

[quadrapiper]

There used to be card printers and they are not really expensive.

Thoroughly bewildered now.

This is a reason I support the graduated pay rates based on tiers - 1 post me anywhere, 2 post within Canada, 3 don't post me. If you select 1 then you don't get to back out when posted to the middle east. Select 2 and you don't get to back out when posted. Have a set period for changing your selections. Also need the standard "this is not a 100% that you will not be posted. If a tier is fully posted then members from next tier will be selected from". If something did magically appear to prevent the member from getting posted such as a medical condition they have hidden then a recovery clause could also be included. The fine details would be up to the lawyers to work out.

A bump to the next tier's pay for the duration of the "sorry, reached down" posting would make sense.

 

[MilEME09]

NATO released updated numbers canada is officially at 1.33% of GDP

https://twitter.com/x/status/1771542159029637597

 

[suffolkowner]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1771544244961845590

update on NATO members meeting their commitment to 2% and 20% spending thresholds

edit just a little slow on the trigger there lol

 

[McG]

NATO released updated numbers canada is officially at 1.33% of GDP

https://twitter.com/x/status/1771542159029637597

Another way to put that equipment target is that it is 0.4% of GDP for kit.
If we were hitting 20% of out current defence expenditure for equipment, it would still only be 0.27% of GDP.

 

[Kirkhill]

Another way to put that equipment target is that it is 0.4% of GDP for kit.
If we were hitting 20% of out current defence expenditure for equipment, it would still only be 0.27% of GDP.

15% of 1.33% is 0.2% of GDP

Capital acquisitions need to double to meet the minimum standards.

 

[KevinB]

15% of 1.33% is 0.2% of GDP

Capital acquisitions need to double to meet the minimum standards.

You folks are so screwed.

 

[dimsum]

You folks are so screwed.

Honest question: What will NATO do? Would they kick Canada out when faced with a potential hot war with Russia? The optics to NATO of that would be horrible, especially since we were one of the founding members.

Even if we don’t contribute much by GDP percentage, the actual amount is on the higher side of the alliance. I think @daftandbarmy posted it a while ago.

I also find it interesting that some of the folks who think we’re giving too much to Ukraine (which also benefits Canadian companies, but UKR is effectively doing a NATO job by proxy) are also the same folks arguing that we need to meet the 2% GDP set by…NATO.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Honest question: What will NATO do?

Show our smug political class just how meaningless and limited our "soft power" really is by excluding us from just about everything else that isn't a signed treaty.

 

[dimsum]

Show our smug political class just how meaningless and limited our "soft power" really is by excluding us from just about everything else that isn't a signed treaty.

But we already have the Canada-EU agreement for trade. And NAFTA.

We also have a bunch of potash (for example) for fertilizer and water. Another one of Peter Zeihan’s videos (I listen to him a lot in the car) mentions that the US imports 93% of its potash from Canada. The top 5 producers are Canada (by a wide margin), Russia, Belarus, China, and Germany/Israel neck and neck. NATO countries aren’t going to import from Russia or Belarus, and probably not from China.

Canada also doesn’t net import food. We can’t say the same about the UK.

 

[Brad Sallows]

But we already have the Canada-EU agreement for trade. And NAFTA.

We also have a bunch of potash (for example) for fertilizer and water. Another one of Peter Zeihan’s videos (I listen to him a lot in the car) mentions that the US imports 93% of its potash from Canada. The top 5 producers are Canada (by a wide margin), Russia, Belarus, China, and Germany/Israel neck and neck. NATO countries aren’t going to import from Russia or Belarus, and probably not from China.

Canada also doesn’t net import food. We can’t say the same about the UK.

Trade isn't soft power. Being part of each of the various crowds and having a voice that is occasionally heeded is soft power. Canada has the US's bad habit of moralizing, only worse, and between that and what must look to external observers like military decline, we're losing whatever influence we had. "We punched above our weight in WWII" isn't worth anything any more, except platitudes from a handful of grateful nations. However much we think we've declined with respect to our participation in various august groups, it's easy to guess that we haven't actually hit bottom yet and can decline some more.

 

[daftandbarmy]

You folks are so screwed.

Canada: when your government is looking over you like

 

[Kirkhill]

If everybody in NATO had been building stocks at the prescribed rates since 1989 (35 years ago) then there would be a surplus of kit on hand that NATO could be supplying to Ukraine.

The fact that we have nothing to supply, and apparently nobody else does, is reflective of us and our allies not keeping to the terms of the agreements in place.

NATO is supposed to be acting on our behalf. But it can't.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

If everybody in NATO had been building stocks at the prescribed rates since 1989 (35 years ago) then there would be a surplus of kit on hand that NATO could be supplying to Ukraine.

The fact that we have nothing to supply, and apparently nobody else does, is reflective of us and our allies not keeping to the terms of the agreements in place.

NATO is supposed to be acting on our behalf. But it can't.

But the Cold War was over!

PSO/COIN .... wave of the future....

No possibility of conventional war ever again... Right? RIGHT?

 

[TacticalTea]

But the Cold War was over!

PSO/COIN .... wave of the future....

No possibility of conventional war ever again... Right? RIGHT?

History had ended man!

 

[FJAG]

NATO is supposed to be acting on our behalf. But it can't.

It's trite to say that NATO is the aggregate of "us." NATO can't act on our behalf if we don't act on our behalf.

 

[Kirkhill]

It's trite to say that NATO is the aggregate of "us." NATO can't act on our behalf if we don't act on our behalf.

That is true.

 

[OldSolduer]

If everybody in NATO had been building stocks at the prescribed rates since 1989 (35 years ago) then there would be a surplus of kit on hand that NATO could be supplying to Ukraine.

The fact that we have nothing to supply, and apparently nobody else does, is reflective of us and our allies not keeping to the terms of the agreements in place.

NATO is supposed to be acting on our behalf. But it can't.

But peace dividend!!! What baloney that was.

 

[TacticalTea]

But peace dividend!!! What baloney that was.

Traditions are answers to questions we have forgotten.

Part of tradition should be to maintain a functional military...