Guardian said:
Which powers are these? The oil companies that pay US taxes and which are regulated by them financially and environmentally? The Republican or Democratic parties, each of which regularly loses free and fair elections? Please tell us.
I said I would not argue this, but some things I said were unclear so I will just clarify them.
People think up all sorts of names for the power that controls the US government and many governments all over the world. People call it the Shadow Government, the Illuminati, part of the Skull and Bones, etc etc etc. I wont use these names, because I don't want what I am saying to seem too colourful. The powers that supercede the US government is just that, an invisible (to the public) power that has complete control over the US government, and influences both the Republican party and the Democratic party. Bush is under their influence, but so was Clinton, Regan, Carter, Nixon, Kennedy etc etc. Some of these presidents do not agree with what the powers want, and they are reprimanded. I am not going to start talking about Kennedy and what he did to piss them off and how that affected him, because that is an entierly other topic.
A more recent example is Clinton.
Just *consider* the following take on events of the last few years. I am also not saying that the US government used its own agents to attack its own country, but I am only asking the question of where Osama got his motivation and got the chance from. It is a well known fact bin Laden used to work for the CIA in the 1980s, where is the evidence that he had ever terminated his contract with them? I do believe al Queda is a real threat and a legit terrorist organization, filled with radical fundamentalists who wish to destroy all of the infidels. I also believe that bin Laden influences and recruits these radicals with his doctrine and gets them to do his bidding. But find it hard to believe that a very intelligent and rich man such as bin Laden would believe in his doctrine and not have an alterior motive for creating and using al Queda to carry out attacks.
I do not believe bin Laden could do all that he does by himself, unless he had some people who were helping him and allowing him to get away with things.
This brings me back to Clinton. During his time as President the USA's embassies got attacked in Africa and a handful of other al Queda attacks occured. The superiors who helped bin Laden carry out these attacks wanted Clinton to start a ground war with al Queda, as this is the only method al Queda's army can fight. This would also allow US forces to get a "foot in the door" to take the middle east, in perticular seize their oil supplies. Al Queda would be no real big problem for the US military to take care of, the US superiors would get their oil, and bin Laden (their "agent in the field") would conveniently escape capture. And the US public would be whipped into a position behind their government because after all, "the country is at war, we must support the government no matter what".
Clinton's mistake was going against the superiors wishes. Instead of starting a ground war he bombed al Queda from five thousand feet. The public did not consider this a real war and they would not for a second stand for middle east nation building. The US did not get into the mideast, oil remained out of US hands and the powerful superiors were mighty pissed. Since Clintons term was already ending they hadn't any reason to pull another Kennedy with him, so they just let his term end. During the next presedential election, they had to make sure Clintons right hand man did not get in, and you see this in the fact that they rigged the elections to give a new guy a chance.
The bombings in Africa and the USS Cole and all the others were not pwerful enough to whip up the american public into a colonization frenzy, so they pulled off 9/11 and it worked. Bush complied with their wishes, they got their war, and managed to seize 2 countries so far. You can bet Bush is going to stay for a while longer, and I won't be suprised when he "wins" the next US election.
Is this what happened? Maybe. Maybe not. It does tie up a lot of loose ends and gives reasons to explain things that don't make much sense other wise.
Now to get on to the other topic a bit, a few things I noticed that were off.
Timothy McVeigh was a hardcore religious christian white supremist. He also comitted the bombing on 19 April to coincide with the storming of the branch Davidian complex in Waco Texas. The Davidians are another group of religious people. McVeigh didn't like the idea of the government stopping them just because they wanted to live outside of society by themselves and somehow in his mind he saw this as a god given opportunity to make a right by blowing up the federal building in Oklahoma..
The Nazis were religious, and although they expanded their reich for purposes of German nationalism and politics, the more sinister parts of their rule are attributed to religion. For example the Jewish holocaust. Hitler and all the high ranking Nazis were christians, and they were serious about it. They saw it acceptable to kill all of the Jews in Europe because they allegedly killed their christ, who was important to them. The German people have accepted that dark part of their history and acknowledge it, the christian people could at least do the same and acknowledge that these people did very bad things in the name of their god, instead of denying that their religion had anything to do with it.
Don't forget the Soviets drained all of Hitlers resources on the eastern front, which allowed an assault on western front to succeed and allowed for the collapse of the third reich. If it were not for Athiest Soviets you may all be saying "Gott Mit Uns" right now. Soviets were not perfect at all, some things that the dictators did in the USSR even surpassed the Jewish holocaust in the numbers of dead.
Makes one wonder how the Soviet public would have reacted if someone started alledging that Stalin had killed millions of farmers in the Ukrane by starving them to death. "Stalin and his government loves all of the people under his control! They would never harm the children of Mother Russia! We must concentrate on the enemies to our beloved nation and not question our perfect leader."