The Decline of the Liberal Party- Swerved Into a Confederation Topic

[daftandbarmy]

So replace the all part advisory board made up of elected (and theoretically accountable) MPs with an advisory board from the unaccountable all party Senators?

The Senate is a bit less accountable/transparent than HoC so not sure how that will be an improvement.

Honestly think the current advisory board does a pretty good job, our judiciary similarly does a good job at keeping whatever political leanings they have out of their decisions.

It's OK, our national policies have already been hijacked by several unelected, unaccountable, self-appointed international organizations that have been roundly criticized (for decades) for their ineffectiveness and borderline criminality.

Here's just two.... off the top of my head....

UNDRIP:

United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples | Division for Inclusive Social Development (DISD)

The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) was adopted by the General Assembly on Thursday, 13 September 2007, by a majority of 144 states in favour, 4 votes against (Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United States) and 11 abstentions (Azerbaija

www.un.org

The Paris Climate Agreement:

https://unfccc.int/process-and-meetings/the-paris-agreement/the-paris-agreement

 

[Navy_Pete]

It's OK, our national policies have already been hijacked by several unelected, unaccountable, self-appointed international organizations that have been roundly criticized (for decades) for their ineffectiveness and borderline criminality.

Here's just two.... off the top of my head....

UNDRIP:

United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples | Division for Inclusive Social Development (DISD)

The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) was adopted by the General Assembly on Thursday, 13 September 2007, by a majority of 144 states in favour, 4 votes against (Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United States) and 11 abstentions (Azerbaija

www.un.org

The Paris Climate Agreement:

https://unfccc.int/process-and-meetings/the-paris-agreement/the-paris-agreement

Well, not really, none of those commitments mean anything until they get implemented by legislation, and it's still entirely within Canada's decision in how they meet it. The UN can just scold us if they don't like it, and can otherwise be ignored with no consequence.

The current independent advisory board is working well, and is an actual useful function being performed by MPs, so I would think we would want to actively encourage that and hope it's catching.

 

[OldSolduer]

Or kneel, as the case may be.

Or get Force choked. That would not be fun

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I agree Brad, but who would decide who to employ, what parameters and what info would they be privy to? Currently, we know what the makeup would be and that a liberal shell company would be benefitting from millions of our tax dollars.

Well that wouldn't change much.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Well, not really, none of those commitments mean anything until they get implemented by legislation, and it's still entirely within Canada's decision in how they meet it. The UN can just scold us if they don't like it, and can otherwise be ignored with no consequence.

The current independent advisory board is working well, and is an actual useful function being performed by MPs, so I would think we would want to actively encourage that and hope it's catching.

Like in BC?

Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act

The Declaration Act (2019) establishes the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples as the Province’s framework for reconciliation, as called for by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission’s Calls to Action. The Act creates a path forward that respects the human rights of...

www2.gov.bc.ca

 

[torg003]

Or get Force choked. That would not be fun

Depends on what someone's into, they might like it.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I wasn't sure where this should go. Mods can move if required. Black and Rex destroy the liberal and NDP narrative and point fingers exactly where they should be pointed. They lay out some of the policies and idiocy that are plaguing us and other countries. Stopping us from prospering and moving ahead technologically, education and puts a dagger in the heart of today's legacy media. Much of what they discuss, is also in this thread. It's about an hour and a half, and well worth the watch if you think we are going to hell in a handbasket. They explain why.

 

[Halifax Tar]

This is good news.

Federal student loans to become interest free, Freeland says in fiscal update

Eliminating the interest on the federal portion of government student and apprentice loans would save the average borrower $410 a year, the federal government said in its fall fiscal update

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

It's terrible news. Why should the taxpayer make gifts to people who are the most likely to have a high lifetime earning potential? There's no magic wall between money students spend on education expenses and money spent on liquor, cell phones, etc.

 

[Remius]

It's terrible news. Why should the taxpayer make gifts to people who are the most likely to have a high lifetime earning potential? There's no magic wall between money students spend on education expenses and money spent on liquor, cell phones, etc.

It isn’t debt forgiveness. Just making the debt interest free.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

It isn’t debt forgiveness. Just making the debt interest free.

Not from a bank. Someone has to pay the interest.

 

[daftandbarmy]

It's terrible news. Why should the taxpayer make gifts to people who are the most likely to have a high lifetime earning potential? There's no magic wall between money students spend on education expenses and money spent on liquor, cell phones, etc.

That's what votes cost these days

 

[Good2Golf]

Not from a bank. Someone has to pay the interest.

The Govermnent will. They are taking on the debt so we don’t have to.

 

[OldSolduer]

The Govermnent will. They are taking on the debt so we don’t have to.

Bahahahahahahaha you are a wit, sir!!!

 

[Good2Golf]

Bahahahahahahaha you are a wit, sir!!!

And I keep “drink box paper bottle thingy like a bottle but a box in paper” in reserve when people think the logic is less flowing than the “we took on the debt for them” assininity.

 

[daftandbarmy]

The Govermnent will. They are taking on the debt so we don’t have to.

 

[Halifax Tar]

It's terrible news. Why should the taxpayer make gifts to people who are the most likely to have a high lifetime earning potential? There's no magic wall between money students spend on education expenses and money spent on liquor, cell phones, etc.

I don't agree with free post secondary education, but I also don't think 21 year old's should be starting out life 6 figures in debt, because they tried to make a good choice.

Part of the fix could be looking at what actually needs to be a university degree IMHO. Medical/Dental, Law and Engineering that should pretty much be it.

 

[Remius]

Not from a bank. Someone has to pay the interest.

I thought they said federal student loans? I am pretty sure those loans are not bank loans. And it’s only the the federal portion of interest that is being eliminated. (The loans are jointly funded by fed and prov funding).

This is a good thing even on a good day. It’s isn’t free tuition nor is it debt forgiveness. But it will help a bit for those servicing debt to government.

 

[Edward Campbell]

I thought they said federal student loans? I am pretty sure those loans are not bank loans. And it’s only the the federal portion of interest that is being eliminated. (The loans are jointly funded by fed and prov funding).

This is a good thing even on a good day. It’s isn’t free tuition nor is it debt forgiveness. But it will help a bit for those servicing debt to government.

The Gov't of Canada is running multi-billion dollar deficits for as long as anyone can imagine. Most of what it spends is funded by loans and all those loans (bonds) have interest due.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The Gov't of Canada is running multi-billion dollar deficits for as long as anyone can imagine. Most of what it spends is funded by loans and all those loans (bonds) have interest due.

The sovereign debt burden in the West needs to be reigned in. It was fine when GDP growth was still outpacing the debt burden but that time is over.

The Debt Burden has actually been slowly creeping up everywhere since 2008 as Central Banks used historically low interest rates to stimulate economic growth.

The problem was, they had an opportunity to turn off the taps but they never did because people got addicted to cheap debt:

The US Government has been walking the tightest of margins since around 2012 when they should have been reigning in stimulus.

We have been doing the same in Canada but our situation is even more precarious because of our high levels of Household Debt:

They've just stopped talking about it at this point but it's gotten way worse during COVID. The HH Debt to GDP Ratio is now sitting at 181% in Canada:

Canada’s Household Debt Ratio Is Climbing Once Again, Here’s Why It’s A Problem - Better Dwelling

Canadian household debt is climbing much faster than income, and that's going to limit their ability to respond in a crisis.

betterdwelling.com

The irony of all of this is that many of the current issues in the World: Ukraine, Taiwan, sabre rattling by OPEC+, Russia, China, etc. Is all basically a direct consequence of our economic weakness.

IMO, we've reached the point of decadence and our enemies see blood in the water and feel emboldened.

I am not hopeful for our future.